Wednesday, September 11, 2013

Are the Avengers Assemble character and character development similar or different to that of Seven Samurai and/or Twelve Angry Men?

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  1. The character development in Avengers Assemble is similar to the character development in Seven Samurai and Twelve Angry Men because of the underdog. The underdog in all of these manuscripts come up but do not completely show themselves (except for Kikuchiyo). In Avengers Assemble, I see Rick Jones as the pseudo- underdog -so to speak- because he starts out slow and then becomes a larger and larger part of the story line. Number Two, in Twelve Angry Men, starts out as a meek person, but slowly makes his voice heard, as seen on page 24 as he mentions the stab wound and didn’t let anyone interrupt him. In Seven Samurai, Kikuchiyo tries to fit in as hard as he can but only manages to make things worse, like when he blows the samurai’s cover as they are hiding from the bandits. In the death of that character, the importance of his death skyrockets, and everyone suddenly feels a large attachment to him, even if they didn’t particularly like Kikuchiyo in the beginning. The character development in a story can either affect the plot or who storyline in general when a character changes.

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    1. I disagree with you Jakob. I thought number five was more of the underdog for Twelve Angry Men. He started at the beginning by not talking at all, and by the end he was standing up for himself.

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    2. I feel like certain parts or characters are similar to the character development of the Avengers script. It seemed to me as if the character of kikuchiyo and hawkeye we extremely similar. They both started out orphans and pursued a not very honorable or normal paths. Then they find their group and it's like they have purpose again. They feel like the new group is their new home, almost trying to escape their pasts. Kikuchiyo realizes what has happened with his life on page 137 where he sees the orpahned child and realizes how the same thing happened to hi as a child, which is why he resents samurai. I aslo see a connection between Rick jones and Kikuchiyo in that they both look up greatly to someone in the group. For Kikuchiyo, is was Kuyzo and for Rick Jones I feel that it is Captain America. Rick is in awe of the avengers and looks ip to them because they are this super elite fighting force that saves the world, and he is a teenager. Who wouldn't be in awe? In these ways, characters in seven samurai are similar to characters in The Avengers.

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  2. I believe that the characters all share a connection in The Seven Samurai, 12 Angry Men,and The Avengers Assemble. They were all brought together through fate and came together and made something amazing. The Seven Samurai were all brought together by the farmers for a cause and each of them didn't know that the time they were going to have would change their lives forever, this is much like the Avengers Assemble and 12 Angry Men. The avengers were brought together to stop evil and created a bond that made an amazing bond. The 12 Angry Men are the only different character development because they didn't become the best of friends at the end, however they did do something great and may have made a difference. However, if the story were to go on past the trial the story may have been just as the others, where they create a bond that lasts for years. This is where I have a question for you. How do you believe the jury man would have gone after the trial, do you think they will stay in touch or do you believe they would just move on with their lives like the Samurai must?

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    1. I think that the jurors will not stay in touch. They never really created a strong connection throughout the play. The group just more found a compromise, not a friendship.

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    2. I agree with Emma. That was a great way to show the connection between Avengers Assemble and Seven Samurai, though. In Seven Samurai though, only the Samurai that are left can stay in touch. The others have all died so there really isn't any continuation except for between Katsushiro and Kambei. Avengers come and go, but so far most of them have reported back and are still in touch, but for the development of the characters during the story these are great connections! I never thought of it that way.

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    3. I agree with Jarrod and Emma, but what if Twelve Angry Men was set in present times? Even in part two with the Avengers partially breaking up, would the dawn of e-mail and instant messaging affect the relationship between the jurors? Would they get along better if the knew each other better?

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    4. Jakob, I'm not entirely sure how different 12 Angry Men would be if it were in present times; there would still be a cultural divide, not necessarily a racial one, but a financial one. With IM and email and whatnot, I doubt they would actually end up following each other on Twitter, befriending each other on Facebook, or sharing Vines with each other. I doubt they would have known each other prior, even if they did follow each other and email each other; I seriously doubt it would have made any difference.

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    5. While you have a good point Cole, the internet and the people on it can work in mysterious ways. Sure, it may not make a difference but for people who spoke less often than others like 6 and 2 I think it could make a difference because they hadn't joined in the initial feud. Although I do agree with Emma in the fact that at the time it was set and at the point they left off with each other they would not be in any rush to contact the others so quickly or keep in touch at all in that manner!

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    6. I like your question max. I think the jurors will go on and not stay in touch. They don't have much of a reason to stay in touch. Personally I don't think they had enough time to get to know each other well enough to make a special connection with one and other.

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    7. While Rick Jones was already part of the group and Katsuhiro, well, wasn’t they both were they at the beginning and they both were ‘low’ as importance goes in the group. Katsuhiro was trying to please Kambie, to get him to accept him as a disciple, individually. He tried to join the group as a whole but at first his actions were specifically directed towards Kambie. And once the Captain America showed up, Rick Jones was doing the same, as seen in Avengers Part 2 on page 4, at the bottom of the page, Rick Jones says, “I made the mistake of... approaching Captain America to be his partner...” Cap ‘declines’ and is actually able to move on from the loss of Bucky. Rejecting Katsuhiro wasn’t a huge emotional milestone for Kambie like for the Captain America, though. Something interesting is the fact that both Rick Jones and Katsuhiro went for the leader of the ‘groups’, and Rick Jones went for Cap even before he was leader, was there just something about him that made Rick Jones want to be specifically included by Captain America instead of Ironman the current leader? Was Cap being the leader of the Avengers inevitable?

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    8. The above thing was my answer to the Question this is my reply: I agree with Hannah, not only did they not have enough time to form a friends ship but I don't think 3 would want to interact with any of them anymore and 7 honestly wouldn't care. Maybe people like 5, 8, 9, or 2 people that believed the kid early on might look for each on the 'web' but I really don't think they would. With the Avengers they started of with the whole justice aspect and 'doing the right thing' but then they befriended each other and they went through tough times, together. Key word together. They saved the world multiple times. In all honesty if the Zombie Apocalypse happened and you somehow survived until the end with some random other strangers and you had to sacrifice and work together to make it through and save the world from Zombies you wouldn't, at the end of it, be all like, "That was fun, see you later. Maybe we wanna go get some coffee later?" Though saving the world together, or surviving the impossible together, doesn't make you instant BFFs like you see in the book: If We Survive by Andrew Klavan but it does change you. And at the beginning the Avengers weren't forced, okay they did have to stop the Hulk, but they stuck together and allowed themselves to grow close. It wasn't like Wednesday night book club, "See you next Wednesday, we'll save Canada!" Just kidding, we all know Canada is invincible. Moving on... and the Avengers have left, broken up, quit and all that but the fact that they keep coming back shows that they are a team unlike the jurors who saved one kids life and 11/12 didn't mind condemning him to death right off the bat... so yeah... what I’m trying to say is Avengers FTW!

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  3. I think that the Avengers Assemble character development is similar to Seven Samurai and Twelve Angry Men. This is characterized for Seven Samurai by Rick Jones. Rick Jones is the most similar to Kikuchiyo, in the fact that he is not as experienced as the other superheros, just like Kikuchiyo was not a full samurai (so he faked his identity). An example of this would be on page 9 in the manuscript of the Avengers (page 4 on the document viewer), when he says “So I thought, as any idiot teenager would, that I would gather up my pals and sit by the CB radio and listen for any Hulk sightings. We called ourselves the Teen Brigade.” This shows him acting rashly and without common sense, just like Kikuchiyo did on page 101 (of the script, 102 in the document) when he said he could ride an emaciated horse and ends up falling off. It relates to Twelve Angry Men because of the Hulk. It is the nature of Bruce Banner to turn into the Hulk if he gets angry. In Twelve Angry Men the jurors slowly start to get more and more frustrated as time goes on, until they all start yelling at each other (like a mini hulk).

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    1. I agree with the comparison of Kikuchyo and and Rick Jones. They were also kind of misfit characters in the group. As Kikuchyo was a Ronin, not a true Samuria, and Rick Jones was really just the guy who gathered them.

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    2. I also agree with you Emma and i also believe that they are similar in that they have an idol in the group that just motivates them to be better. For Kikuchiyo it was Kuyzo and Rick it was Captain America.

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    3. You mentioned that there is a similarity from the Avengers to both Seven Samurai and Twelve Angry men, but yet you didn't mention your connection to Twelve Angry Men. In my eyes the connection between Avengers and Twelve Angry men would be the "de-wimpifying" of No.2 and of Rick Jones, but what are your thoughts on that.

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  4. I feel that the Avengers Assemble characters and character progression actually bears closer resemblance to the tale Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde than either 12 Angry Men or Seven Samurai because of the further and further separation of their alter egos and their superhero aliases. In Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, Jekyll creates a potion that separates his evil, base part of human nature as much as he possibly can; completely severing it from his psyche; the only problem is that every once in awhile that base part of the Doctor takes over his thoughts and actions for a time. In the Avengers, the more hero work they do, the more their personal lives suffer because of it; for example, on page 49, Janet Van Dyne states “It was very addicting. The public loved us. I mean, they’ve loved us. I’m sure that helped a great deal with our decision to stay together. We were headline news almost every day.” and on page 52, Tony Stark says “It was the flip side of dedicating our lives to the Avengers. Other parts of our lives were being neglected.” The two stories, though we’ve not read Jekyll and Hyde this year, bear many similarities.

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    1. Do you not think that there is any connection between Avengers and the 12 Angry Men/Seven Samurai?

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    2. I agree with you Cole. I think that as super heroes, the characters in Avengers Assemble are constantly juggling their personal and public lives. I think that it is especially hard for them because the public expects so much from them and really relies on them. That's a lot of pressure! I think that is where it is different from Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. Although many of the super heroes created their super human identities like Dr. Jekyll, they don't really have much of a choice as to whether or not they should give it up. If Iron Man stopped being Iron Man and was permanently Tony Stark, how do you think the people would react? Dr. Jekyll however, had the choice to give up his "alter ego," but it became an addiction. He didn't want to give it up.

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    3. Cole does have some very good quotes to support his argument but the question was "Connect this story's character development to 12 Angry Men and also to Seven Samurai." There is nothing stating other books in the prompt. The idea is great though, and finding a connection to Jekyll/Hyde is a great way to look at it. I find that there is connections between the two stories, more then in Jekyll/Hyde. I disagree with you on that one point. There are connections between Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and Avengers Assemble, but there are more in the other two stories. That's all I'm disagreeing with. I restated this to make the point clear. Great analogy though. It is very unique.

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  5. The characters in the three manuscripts are very similar. Tony Stark is similar to the older samurai because they are all proud and arrogant. Captain America is like Juror number 8 because they will always fight until justice has been served. The hulk is like juror number 3 because they are both easily angered and cause damage because of their anger. On the last page of Twelve Angry Men, juror three becomes so angry that he actually holds a knife to juror eight. Kambei and juror eight are also similar because they both take on leadership roles and are willing to fight for the sake of others even if there is not much to gain. The only thing that Kambei was receiving to help the farmers was some rice. Juror eight was receiving nothing at all. Kikuchiyo develops in a similar way to the jurors in Twelve Angry Men. On page 213, Katsushiro kills himself in the process of killing the bandit chief to save the farmers. The jurors become more and more willing to take up time talking about the boy until eventually they decide for the sake of justice that he is not guilty.

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    1. I agree with everything that you said Kalyani. One point I really like that you made was how Captain America was similar to Juror No. 8. Captain America desperately wanted to join the Army and fight in WWII, but he was told that he was to scrawny to fight. He wanted to do anything that he could in order to help his country in the war, and he was given that opportunity with the Super Soldier serum. Once he was given the serum, he did everything he could to help America and to make sure that justice was served, much like how Juror No. 8 did everything in his power to make sure that justice was served by proving that the young man accused of murder was not guilty.

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  7. I believe that the character development and characters of the three manuscripts are very similar, as individuals and as a whole. In the Avengers Assemble and Seven Samurai, both groups start out as individuals with a common goal. While in the beginning of both groups they didn't work that well together. As time went on they grew accustomed to working together against a common enemy. Tony Stark is very similar to Juror number 3 because both are proud, arrogant, and don't change their minds easily. Captain America is like Juror number 8 in the way they both fight for justice and until a fair justice has been served. The Hulk is a great deal like Juror number 7, they both are hot headed and have short tempers. In Seven Samurai Kikichiyo grows up very fast and has to learn justice and maturity, in this sense he is like Juror 2, in the beginning Juror number 2 agrees with the majority and whoever spoke last. Kikuchiyo, in the start of Seven Samurai, was an immature teenager who didn't make logical decisions, as time went on both grew as a character. Juror 2 thought for himself and realized he was agreeing with an unreasonable group and decision. Kikuchiyo matured and made reasonable decisions.

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  8. The character development in Avengers Assemble stays mostly along the lines of the characters realizing their past mistakes and coming to terms with their selves and how they turned out. Seven Samurai and Twelve Angry Men roughly resemble this as well with different aspects adding in such as how Three learns to let go in Twelve Angry Men (not until the very end). In this regard, I think that they are very similar and that at the end of the stories the characters have come to better learn who they are as a person and what they believe in. Number Eight knows at the end of his story that justice was served and even someone who did not know Number Eight personally would come to that he fights for what he believes for. If Eight hadn’t completely come to terms with that before hand, it’s almost guaranteed that he has now. The Avengers especially, learn that they weren’t who they thought the were and I think that after the great battle the remaining Samurai had even realized a bit more about themselves than before. We as readers can also see the obvious character development displayed before us: the character we met at the very beginning, and the character that the experiences we had been tagging along in made them out to be.

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  9. Avengers Assemble has a much different plot than 12 Angry Men. This is because in Avengers Assemble, all of the superheroes in the Avengers were gathered by fate, and they all fought side by side and worked as a team to defeat their enemies. In 12 Angry Men, the 12 jurors may have also been gathered together by fate, but all that they did was argue until a verdict was reached. This conflict between the jurors can be represented on page 23 when the vote was six guilty to six not guilty and Juror No. 3 said, “I’m ready to walk into court right now and declare a hung jury. There’s no point in this going on any more.” The plot development was also very different too. After many exciting battles, it was evident that the Avengers were falling apart on page 52. However, Captain America would remain an Avenger, and he gained Hawkeye and the Maximoff siblings. With these four heroes, there could be a new generation of Avengers, while 12 Angry Men was nothing like that. Juror No. 8 used deductive reasoning to prove “eyewitness” accounts false, and after much fighting and bickering, he was eventually able to create reasonable doubt in the minds of his fellow jurors.

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  10. The character development in Avengers is similar to that in Seven Samurai and 12 Angry Men but it is very different, too. In the Avengers script all of the heroes came together by chance and fought against a common enemy and continued to do that. The characters started to grow on each other after that and eventually took to each other real well. In Seven Samurai the Samurai were also brought together by chance to fight a common enemy. They all feel different about each other and the character development really shows in Kikuchiyo. He starts out by saying he is a Samurai and being a show-off but really changes throughout the story and gains his need for honor and a feeling of greatness... then he dies. In 12 Angry Men the dialogue really changes and each character develops in his own way. Number 10 starts to understand that "they" really aren't bad people. In the Avengers there really is no bias so there isn't any real reason to compare to this development. The rest of the characters don't develop very much other than their understanding of society. The Avengers learn to understand society too, but in a very different way.

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    1. I agree with Jarrod. It is important to notice that character development is different and the same. To expand, it all depends on which characters you are observing. For instance, Katsushiro and Rick Jones both have the want to learn from others and become like them. As they develop we can see them become more understanding and learn how they need to conduct themselves. Looking at the other side, Thor doesn’t have a very similar character development to Kikuchiyo. Thor already has the sense of honor and leadership, while Kikuchiyo is searching for those qualities and ends up gaining a few. So it all depends on the point of view you pose.

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  11. The characters and character development in the Avengers Assemble are very similar to Seven Samurai. At the beginning, both groups of characters didn’t really know each-other and once the manuscript was ending, they really bonded. We can see this in the Avengers where in the manuscript, they are all laughing and telling their side of the story as if the were really good friends, which they really are. We can see this when Hank Pym is trying to explain, “Ask Tony Stark about the time he (laughs) ask him about the time he quote-unquote improved Captain America’s mighty shield”. This shows that they have become really good friends. Also, in Seven Samurai, at the very end, Kambei is screaming, “Kikuchiyo! Kikuchiyo!” This shows that before they met, they wouldn’t have cared as much that they were going to die, but now that they have gone through so much, battling all of the bandits, they really do feel sad when one of their own dies in battle, and I think that is really important to see. So, the characters and character development in the Avengers Assemble are very similar to Seven Samurai.

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  12. I believe that all these manuscripts share at least one character that shows some development throughout the play or movie. In Avengers Assemble, Rick Jones goes from this stupid bored teenager who thought it would be fun to send out superheroes and he transforms into this legendary man who created an international team of heroes protecting our world everyday. In Seven Samurai, Kikuchiyo starts off as this young farmer boy who is looked down upon (in a sense) by the other samurai. Kikuchiyo becomes this respected young man who is no longer know as the weaker of the seven samurai. In 12 Angry Men, juror number 2 starts off as this man who just agrees with the person who speaks before him. towards the end, he finally makes his own point and shies away from being so meek. All these characters start off as weaker or shyer characters who seem like they have nothing to offer or are just plain crazy. At the end off all three manuscripts they all transform into men who go down in history (rick jones), or move up from being the weakest (kikuchiyo), or finally have their own opinion (juror number 2).

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  13. To add onto Hannah's comment, in Avengers there was also the scenario involving Hawkeye on pages 53-55. Also I think that there is definitely, character development in Avengers, but I don't think it had as much of an impact on the plot. Opposed to, in Seven Samurai the development of Kikuchiyo is massive and has a great impact on the story. In Twelve Angry men, we see great amounts of character development, and they have a giant impact on the plot as well. One main difference that I came across is we see Rick Jones develop a lot like Juror Number 2. I say this because as Mr. Cosmono has said throughout Twelve Angry Men, No.2 is being "de-wimpified", and to me Rick Jones is also being "de-wimpified." This is because Rick went from making little contribution to the team, to making so much of a contribution he also became Captain America`s new side-kick. Same thing with No.2, he went from shying away from his own opinion to, fighting against someone else's, and defending his own. You can see this on page 24 in Tweleve Angry Men.

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  14. Though some of the character development throughout the three texts are the same, there are also differences within them. To start, lets look at some similarities. In the Avengers Assemble on page 38, Captain America expresses his anger towards Zemo when he tells us, “I told him to his face that I remembered he’d mocked America and that his vulgar contempt for liberty.” This is similar to Juror Three and how he is trying to force his opinion on Juror 4 on page 30 when he states, “Listen. What’s the matter with you? You’re the guy. You made all the arguments…” Looking at the other side, you can see that Thor and Kikuchiyo don’t have much character development similarities. One way you can tell that Thor doesn’t have a very similar character development to Kikuchiyo is when on page 10 of the Avengers Assemble, Thor says, My brother had decided that it was his job to punish me, to ruin me because of his own failings.” Thor had to live through the experience of having a love one fight against him with all his might, while Kikuchiyo had to live trying to prove himself to those around him.

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  15. I believe in the stories, the characters are quite similar. To begin, the older samurai is very similar to Tony Stark because of the arrogance and way they talk. Tony Stark is very similar to Juror number 3 because both are proud, arrogant, and don't change their minds easily. I also feel that Rick Jones is much like Kikuchiyo, because they both are inexperienced fighters who act rashly throughout the story. There is also a bond throughout the groups in the stories. To begin, the Seven Samurai were brought together through the desperate farmers who needed a hand to rely on others. In Twelve Angry Men, the jurors were thrown together in a room, and juror 7 got the attention of his fellow jurors after a consensus was set against him. In the Avengers, the group of super heroes were brought together by chance and although they have different opinions, but still come together to a general consensus.

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  16. Some important parallel character roles filled by different characters in each of the three evaluated texts share similar roles in groups. the obvious connection of roles between the three pieces is the leader, or founder. In the case of Avengers Assemble, this role is obviously filled by Hank Pym, the scientist who is noted multiple times as the first Avenger, because he came up with the idea of the Avengers Initiative. Certain characteristics, like a warm personality and the will to get work done, also characterize this role. This can be seen in another group leader and mediator as well, also known as Juror #8, or Davis. Davis was able to mediate a group through a heated debate, in which he was twice at knifepoint. He displayed a calmness in his demeanor that could only be rivaled by that of Kambei Shimada, the wise leader of the samurai , Kyuzo, Kikuchiyo, Heihachi, Katsushiro, Gorobei, and Shichiroji in The Seven Samurai. He is able to lead them into a battle after which their fates are unknown. There are many character roles that come into play in the Seven Samurai, 12 Angry Men, and Avengers Assemble, but the leader is the most common.

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  17. The characters and character development are similar in all three of the manuscripts because there is one particular character in each manuscript that shows significant development (Kikuchiyo, NO. 3, and Rick Jones). These three characters definitely change and are different people when their story ends. I also noted that the main cause of these characters' development was their connection with other people. For example, on page 138 in Seven Samurai, Kikuchiyo holds a rescued baby and shares a connection. He says, "This baby. This is me! The same thing happened to me!" Because of this encounter, Kikuchiyo was able to come to the realization that he wasn't the only one who experienced such horrifying things. This baby gave him strength, and because of this experience, Kikuchiyo felt stronger and more confident. This is similar to the fact that NO. 8 was able to stop NO. 3 from taking out his frustration with his own child on an innocent boy in Twelve Angry Men. Also, in Avengers Assemble, Rick Jones joined the group inexperienced and inept, but as he spent more time with the avengers, he was able to connect with them and live a life where he could accomplish great things and spread his goodness throughout the world.

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  18. I think that the avengers assemble character and character development isn't that similar to the other literature readings because in Seven Samurai there are subtle hints of character development, the author doesn’t just come out and say it like 12 Angry Men and Avengers Assemble does. In 12 Angry Men on page 3, No. 7 says “Right. This better be fast.’ I’ve got tickets to The Seven Year Itch tonight. I must be the only guy in the whole world who hasn’t seen it yet. Okay, your honor, start the show.” This tells you right here that juror No. 7 is impatient and doesn’t care about much, except getting to his show on time. In Seven Samurai, it is harder to spot character development, you have to search for it. But in Avengers Assemble, you can tell their personalities when you have heard the characters say a few things like on page 12 when Henry Pym first talks “Janet looks a lot like Maria, my first wife, and I was very taken with her. But I certainly wasn’t where Janet was, emotionally. Not at first. It’s all very complicated.” You can tell he is very scientific. That’s why I think the literature pieces aren’t all similar to each other.

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  19. I believe that there is similar character development amongst the characters in all three of the manuscripts. All of these texts have characters with very distinct personalities. Due to the way that they are introduced, the way that they are characterized, or the opinions and biases that they express, one can easily gain a large amount of knowledge about a character in a very short amount of time. This allows for plenty of development to take place and for it to be very noticeable for the reader. As for the characters themselves, there are some personality traits that are a constant among all of the manuscripts. One of these that seems the most noticeable is the presence of a character or characters with leader like characteristics. This character often takes on the responsibility of guiding, supporting, or otherwise helping the rest of his group. These traits are most obvious in Kambei from The Seven Samurai, the experienced samurai who puts together and guides the other six, Juror number eight from Twelve Angry Men, who stands up for a cause he believes in and is constantly bringing in evidence and examples to convince the other jurors, and finally Tony Stark who provides financial support and other help to The Avengers.

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  20. I agree with Hannah, not only did they not have enough time to form a friends ship but I don't think 3 would want to interact with any of them anymore and 7 honestly wouldn't care. Maybe people like 5, 8, 9, or 2 people that believed the kid early on might look for each on the 'web' but I really don't think they would. With the Avengers they started of with the whole justice aspect and 'doing the right thing' but then they befriended each other and they went through tough times, together. Key word together. They saved the world multiple times. In all honesty if the Zombie Apocalypse happened and you somehow survived until the end with some random other strangers and you had to sacrifice and work together to make it through and save the world from Zombies you wouldn't, at the end of it, be all like, "That was fun, see you later. Maybe we wanna go get some coffee later?" Though saving the world together, or surviving the impossible together, doesn't make you instant BFFs like you see in the book: If We Survive by Andrew Klavan but it does change you. And at the beginning the Avengers weren't forced, okay they did have to stop the Hulk, but they stuck together and allowed themselves to grow close. It wasn't like Wednesday night book club, "See you next Wednesday, we'll save Canada!" Just kidding, we all know Canada is invincible. Moving on... and the Avengers have left, broken up, quit and all that but the fact that they keep coming back shows that they are a team unlike the jurors who saved one kids life and 11/12 didn't mind condemning him to death right off the bat... so yeah... what I’m trying to say is Avengers FTW!

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  22. The character and character development in Avengers Assemble was different from Twelve Angry Men and Seven Samurai. They are different because in Twelve Angry Men, each juror is individualized and specifically given a personality and opinion, which I believe didn’t appear as strongly in Avengers Assemble. I didn’t get as deep and involved feeling reading Avengers Assemble as I did reading one of the other works, due to the characters not being as intently described. Avengers Assemble to me was just more of a story, I didn’t find it as deep and meaningful as Seven Samurai or Twelve Angry Men. Seven Samurai is in many ways similar to Twelve Angry Men because they do share a similar style of character development. They both delve into the personalities straight away. Seven Samurai individually used each samurai as a specific person with a specific and important role. Overall all three stories do have a large amount of common ground, but character and character development is very diverse.

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  23. The character and character development in Avenger was different from Twelve Angry Men and Seven Samurai because there are no direct character correlations from Twelve Angry Men and Avengers. The characters in Twelve Angry Men were all individualized and not one was similar to another. In Avengers some of the characters were very similar, and they also worked together very well. The characters are different in Seven Samurai and Avengers because, while they all work together exceedingly well, the characters in Avengers are doing what they are doing for the good of their city/country while the Samurai were fighting for the villagers for money. The characters develop differently because most of the Samurai were born into Samurai families while the Avengers were not born into superhero families. Tony Stark may be the son of a famous inventor but his father still wasn't a “superhero” and the same feeling goes with Thor and his father as Thor himself was quite normal on Asgard. I feel that the characters in Seven Samurai and Twelve Angry Men went much deeper than it did in Avengers Assemble. When reading Avengers Assemble i felt as though the characters were very shallow and didn’t have a rich backstory.

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  24. I feel like certain parts or characters are similar to the character development of the Avengers script. It seemed to me as if the character of kikuchiyo and hawkeye we extremely similar. They both started out orphans and pursued a not very honorable or normal paths. Then they find their group and it's like they have purpose again. They feel like the new group is their new home, almost trying to escape their pasts. Kikuchiyo realizes what has happened with his life on page 137 where he sees the orpahned child and realizes how the same thing happened to hi as a child, which is why he resents samurai. I aslo see a connection between Rick jones and Kikuchiyo in that they both look up greatly to someone in the group. For Kikuchiyo, is was Kuyzo and for Rick Jones I feel that it is Captain America. Rick is in awe of the avengers and looks ip to them because they are this super elite fighting force that saves the world, and he is a teenager. Who wouldn't be in awe? In these ways, characters in seven samurai are similar to characters in The Avengers.

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  25. I think the theme development of the avengers assemble are similar to the other readings. I think this is because there is a group of individuals that become a part of a group, fighting very similar reasons. In each book, there is a form of justice served. The groups of people in the novels feel they need to do what is right. On page 63, chapter 7, in the second party of the Avengers Assemble, it talks about how the avengers group is getting together for more battles, this is also seen in the Seven Samurai script. The samurai get together to fight for the villagers, same as the avengers to help the citizens. In the 12 angry men script, number eight fights for the boy on trial.
    In all three novels, there is a group of people that form a group to make decisions. In Seven Samurai, the samurai agree that the thieves should be “punished” for what they have done. This is the same in 12 angry men, but in the group there is juror 8 who is the main part of giving the justice, and verdict out. And lastly, in the avengers assemble they use their powers together to fight who they consider to be evil.

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  26. The character devolvement and character are pretty similar because in the avengers, Seven Samurai, and 12 Angry Men, they all have something I'm common which is, they are all in a group, ready or made to make something amazing or/and importing happen. In the avengers, they are all in a group to stop the evil and help others. Also with 12 Angry Men, they were not the best of friends in the beginning but towards the end they became better friends, but they came together not really knowing each other, and were there to help or hurt somebody else. Something about Seven Samurai and the Avengers were that they were also there(towards the ending) to fight and have a battle. Agreeing to what Lauren said about how there seems to be one person who tends to make the final decision or argument in every book. In 12 angry men, it was obviously jury 8, he was the one to bring up the argument and different points of views. Also like in Seven Samurai, The samurai get to choose when and who and why someone gets punished.

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